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Lori Burkhart's avatar

So much thought went into this backed by research. It amazes me when people just want to hate rather than think. The MSM clearly has fallen apart after all their propaganda.

Look at the Russia collusion hoax that is still believed. Look at the Hunter Biden laptop and the 51 in the letter saying it was Russian propaganda. Look at Hunter and the Burisma scandal. There is so much that needs to be looked at in this mess:

https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/

I’m grateful that independent thinkers realize the problem with MSM and are successfully publishing and are being heard. Kudos.

As Shakespeare said, “The truth will out.”

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Sue Seboda's avatar

Thanks Lori and thanks for including an important article on Biden graft. A couple years ago I mentioned this to a friend and she said I was watching too much right wing media if I believed that. That says it all.

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Longstreet's avatar

We have no reason to fight Russia. The Europeans have 550,000 people. Let them die for Ukraine if defending Ukraine is so important to them. We have no reason to fund NATO. The Soviet Union collapsed more than 30 years ago. NATO has done nothing to stop the violation of our borders.Europe doesn’t even protect their own borders from the African and middle eastern hordes. The Soviet union lost 27 million people in World War II. Is it any wonder they fear military encroachment by NATO. JFK nearly started a nuclear war when the soviets put missiles in Cuba. Why are we surprised they see NATO encroachment as an endemic threat.

I wish Trump would walk away from Ukraine, NATO, and the UN.

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Sue Seboda's avatar

We will see. First he has to be able to explain what has really been going on to the citizens so they can see through the lies that will surely be spread. Not sure about walking away from NATO but my mind is open on the question. I need more study.

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Claire Rae Randall's avatar

Absolutely Sue. The western media has basically told lies about this since the Maidan coup of 2014. It's a process of disentanglement from the collective West narrative which is false to the point of absurdity.

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Sue Seboda's avatar

Yes. We need to seriously rethink the policies that led to the coup which in part brought us to this juncture.

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Rob Thomas's avatar

Judge Napolitano has a YouTube channel as well as a Rumble channel. Napolitano is conducting multiple interviews daily with people who understand this war. Napolitano just returned from Russia after meeting and interviewing Lavrov.

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Sue Seboda's avatar

Thanks Rob. I was unaware of his podcasts until doing research for this article. He and John Mearsheimer had a long conversation that was enlightening. I will check out his other guests and add links to article.

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Claire Rae Randall's avatar

John Mearsheimer has also been a guest on The Duran with Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen, who is a professor at a Norwegian university.

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Sue Seboda's avatar

Mearsheimer gets around! Too bad more people didn’t listen to him.

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Sue Seboda's avatar

It’s also too bad our media essentially canceled him for his views. Did not match the Biden admin narrative.

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Claire Rae Randall's avatar

I kind of live in a Duran bubble and assume that everyone must know all about this, but I recently got accused of citing my own *version* of the facts when I mentioned Minsk and Merkel's comments about how it was a ruse to rearm Ukraine!

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Tim Small's avatar

Thanks for laying the cards on the table. The situation has been very confusing and I’m also trying to figure out what’s actually going on. The contentious White House meeting was the cherry on top of it all. I trust Matt Taibbi and his take - as I recall, correct me if I’m wrong or missed something- was that Zelenskyy showed up on short notice and tried to bluster his way forward and that T/V pushed back vocally when they realized he was trying to bull-rush them. As you know, Taibbi sided with them on that, but his take was very much in the minority, with most media commentators aghast at the rude reception he got. I still can’t figure out that one, but it does seem that Trump’s approach- to establish a new American commercial interest in Ukraine - could serve as a long-term deterrent to further aggression by Putin and do so without enrolling Ukraine in NATO, a big, well known potential rub to the Russians. I’m not a Trump fan but that seems like a promising path. I guess we’ll have to stay tuned!

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Sue Seboda's avatar

Yes that was essentially Taibbi’s take. Will post those articles. And yes he was mostly alone. I had listened to the whole meeting and could not grasp what was really happening but when I read the transcript, as Taibbi recommended, it was much clearer. Also knowing the backstory of US involvement for decades helped.

It would be especially helpful for us to understand the facts about Ukraine corruption and US involvement in that. I stayed mostly silent on that until see more concrete proof.

There has also been chatter that US pressure tanked the Ukraine/Russia negotiations that occurred shortly after 2022 Russia invasion. Looking for proof of whether that is true or not.

Agree, no fan of Trump either but his approach has merit.

We will see.

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Sherman Homan's avatar

Awesome, Sue! This is going to be an excellent resource/information page!

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Sue Seboda's avatar

Thanks Sherman!

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Claire Rae Randall's avatar

Good to see you online again Sue. Complex issues here and multiple news sources to consider.

For myself I follow Alex Christophorou and Alexander Mercouris of The Duran, an independent news commentary channel.

Alex's daily roundups are both incisive and amusing while I say about Alexander's geopolitical analysis that he ain't always right, but he's not often wrong (to butcher a line from an old song!)

(In other words they have predicted the outcome and have been correct.)

https://odysee.com/@alexchristoforou:7

https://odysee.com/@AlexanderMercouris:a

https://odysee.com/@theduran:e

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Sue Seboda's avatar

Hi Claire, was thinking about you yesterday as consider next article. Hope all good in your world.

Thanks for the references. Will check them out. It is very complex. The only thing we can be certain of is that the rhetoric doesn’t not match the reality

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Keith Listoe's avatar

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Jay Hutzell's avatar

By the title and opening to this article I though it was going to be about decoding the rhetoric of the current situation we are in and looking for a way forward. I was sadly disappointed to see "Biden" about 10 times more thant any of the current players. I dont know wht T/V attacked Zelensky or why they seem to think Ukraine invaded Russia. Nor do I know why Z thinks he should defend his country against foreign aggression. But i do know this article soesnt shed light on any issues moving forward and is instead wrapped up in pointing blame...to the level of somehow bringing in gender issues, BLM, George Floyd, COVID and other stuff that triggers the right. The post is definately well researched and thought out....just doesnt have any aim or point.

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Sue Seboda's avatar

Hi Jay, hope you are doing well.

I suggest reading the articles referenced by John Mearsheimer, Matt Taibbi and Lee Smith.

Russia attacked when Biden was President. As such he figures greatly in how things unfolded. The point was to show that his words and actions did not match which indicates a different motive than stated.

This motive was not shared with the public to seek our support to send billions.

As time went on, his administration became more honest that this was a proxy war to weaken Russia.

He also failed to share how his and Obamas meddling helped enflame this situation. It is impossible to come to any conclusions about this mess without knowing this information. In hindsight Bush’s, Obama’s and Biden’s strategy helped bring us to this point. Call it blame if you like, I call it necessary information to understand where we are.

I brought up the other influence campaigns to show the similarity in their deployment. That alone is a red flag we should pay attention to. I know you don’t believe saturating society with gender ideology is a real thing but after weeks of research and studying the trends I can assure you it is. The point here though is not to discuss that but to show how so many people were convinced that humans are not binary mammals. How was that accomplished?

Getting people to accept sending billions to Ukraine without a full conversation of the situation followed a similar pattern.

Anyway, hope all is good in your world!

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Ann22's avatar

Wow. Using Taibbi as central source of information. He spins a good story. I’m not a journalist but suggest you peruse any number of substack authors or other sources that tell the same story from a balanced, realistic perspective. How anyone can follow the day to day absolutely destructive actions and messages from Trump, obviously trying to destroy what we understand as our democracy, breaking laws right and left to do so, threatening congressionals, treating the rest of us with no respect, like we are fools, and still support him is …delusional. Apologist. Nuts.

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Sue Seboda's avatar

So much of the discussion on Ukraine fails to mention our meddling and how it has contributed to the current crisis. One goal of this article was to share this information. Taibbi was one of three sources. There aren’t many putting this info out there.

It is impossible to judge Trump without understanding at least some of what has gone before.

Also whether we like it or not, Trump is President. He is the one in charge of negotiations from the American side. Do you think it is helpful to the country and peace in Ukraine to continue the Russia/Collusion narrative? Do you believe it was true in 2016 and still is?

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AmericanMutt's avatar

Russia Collusion has been proven to be a lie. This is old news for people that are curious and research, but to the masses it is still their reality. Propaganda works. So now what?

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Sue Seboda's avatar

It is such old news and to see Russia Collusion: the Sequel being bandied about now is very disturbing. The commenter above did not answer my question but I had to bet, she probably believes it.

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Victor Yanez's avatar

Jesus, Ann… how are you ever going to get through the next four years being so miserable now that Trump is POTUS? ‘…treating the rest of us with no respect…’ Who’s the rest of us, Ann? Do you mean miserable white liberal childless cat ladies such as yourself? What’s next, RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA 2.0?? Oh, wait…

I must apologize and correct myself, Ann22. I meant to ask how are you going to get through the next TWELVE years, after Trump’s four, and 48th POTUS JD Vance?

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